GIANTS?
Point blank, there are things said in Scripture at times, that are vague. Over time, people come up with conclusions, that side with one teaching, or another. This is true, in the case of the Nephilim/Giants.
The Book of Enoch, does say that Angels came and slept with the women of Earth, thus producing offspring. The Book of Adam and Eve, say that the “Sons of Elohim” were the lineage of Seth’s line, not “Angels.”
The Letter of Jude, does quote from the Book of Enoch. The quote has nothing to do with Angels or Giants. It was about the corruption on earth, back in the beginning of man.
Verse 11 in Jude, says: “Alas for them, because they have followed CAIN; they have thrown themselves into the same delusion, as Baalam for a reward….”
This part harmonizes more, with the Adam and Eve account. Where it was Cain’s line, luring Seth’s line, from a Higher place, simply referred to as, "The Mountain."
Seth’s line was to remain SEPARATE, but eventually nearly all transgressed, leaving Noah. Thus, the Flood came, and a new beginning thereafter came.
Turning to Genesis 4, and 5, we see nothing in regards to either Cain’s line, or Seth’s line, offspring of a woman and a heavenly angel. In other words, if this were the case, where does it say, “and Zeke the Angel, had relations with Judith, and bore Sam.”? We don’t read anything like this, anywhere in the Torah.
What we do have, is Genesis 6:1-4
"And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, that the sons of Elohim saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
And Yahweh said, 'My spirit shall not always strive with MAN, for that he also is FLESH: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.'
There were giants/Fallers in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of Elohim came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
Genesis 6:1-4, when read closely, is talking about three different groups.
“Sons of Elohim,” “Daughters of Men,” and “Nephilim” (Fallers).
Notice verse 1, is speaking about PEOPLE becoming numerous, and then leading into the Son’s of Elohim, and Daughters of Men.
Verse 4 is where we see, the Fallers were on earth in those days, (and even AFTERWARD), when the Sons of Elohim, resorted to the Women.
This looks like the Fallers, AKA Fallen Angels, were on Earth, AT THE TIME, AND EVEN AFTERWARDS, of this unlawful union of humans. It also doesn’t make a lot of sense, when it is telling us that the Fallers were “there” at the time….. it does not say, the Fallers were the children of the union. And if it were so, then why is it we are told, the Fallers were there “even AFTERWARD”?
Notice, Genesis 6 starts telling the story, of Noah and the Flood, right after this beginning paragraph. So wouldn’t this be telling us, that even after the Flood, Fallen Angels were still able to teach man, or still exist, etc?
2 Peter chapter 2. There is mention of Angels sinning, in verse 4. No mention of union of Angel flesh (?) and human flesh. And in verse 1, it says. “As there were false prophets in the past history of our people, so you too will have your false teachers, who will insinuate their own disruptive views….”
I think this is interesting indeed! The mentioning of Noah’s days, along with false teachers of the PAST. Who was he referring to??? That is anyone’s guess, for he does not say directly. But the time frame that the false teacher covered, is in the context of the chapter.
1 John 3:7-15 also, shows the difference, between Cain’s line, and Seth’s.
Malachi 2:14-16; Deuteronomy 7:1-6
Another perspective:
In the “Angels” are the “Sons of Elohim,” then why does Hebrews 1:5 say what it does? “To which of the Angels then, has Elohim EVER SAID, ‘YOU ARE MY SON, TODAY I HAVE FATHERED YOU,’?
Paul is telling us (or so it seems), that Yahweh never called ANY of the Angles, his SON. So the “Sons of Elohim” being Angels, becomes obliterated, if one believes what Paul said. Interesting…..
But some of you are thinking, what about Job’s account? That is a good question!
Job 1 tells us: (2) Job had 7 sons, and 3 daughters. (3) and MANY SERVANTS. Job was the most prosperous, of the SONS (bane-son, children, nations), OF THE EAST. (4) The Sons would hold provision at their homes, one each day of the week. (6) “One day, when the SONS (BANE) OF ELOHIM, ATTENDED ON YAHWEH, AMONG THEM CAME SATAN.”
I too, have always believed that this event occurred, in Heaven. But did it?
Joshua 24:1 “Joshua gathered all the Tribes……and they presented themselves, in Elohim’s PRESENCE.”
Even Moshe and Yahoshua, son of Nun, were in the “Tent of the Meeting,” in Yahweh’s presence! This was on EARTH! And where was Satan, when Elohim asked him where he had been? (7) “‘Prowling about on earth’ he answered, ‘roaming around there.’” There truly is nothing stating, that this conversation, was in heaven.
So who were the “Sons of Elohim” in verse 6? Looking back at the sentences above, it can be concluded, it was JOB’S SONS, who were righteous, and their Father (Job) even did special offerings to cover them, INCASE they incurred guilt! They were walking in righteousness, and fellowshipping either every week, or at the appointed Feasts (nothing stated directly), for 7 days. They were Sons of Elohim.
Deuteronomy 16:13-15 speaks of the Feast of Shelters, which upon keeping we are promised PROSPERITY. Is this what Job’s family was keeping? We do know, they were very blessed, and prosperous! Other than this, we can only speculate.
Job 2:1 mentions, “Another day, the Sons of Elohim came to attend of Yahweh…” Are not the Angel’s in Heaven, ALWAYS IN ATTENDANCE??? (2) “Where have you been?” Genesis 3:9-10 Adam is asked, nearly the same thing. Yahweh knew where he was.
Job 38:7 is another verse, some say show the “Sons of Elohim” are Angels.
“to the joyful concert of morning STARS, and unanimous ACCLAIM of the SONS OF ELOHIM.”
Looking at “Father” (title for Yahweh), we see the following: H 3962 pater- generator or male ancestor,….. Elohim is called, “the Father of LIGHTS/of the Stars, the Heavenly luminaries, celestial bodies, as the SUN and the MOON…..
Since the verse is mentioning the stars, could the Sons of Elohim here, in this metaphoric passage it is found, be speaking of the Sun and the Moon?
But to Stars, and the Moon, “praise”?
Psalm 148:3 “Praise ye him, the SUN AND THE MOON, praise him, all you STARTS OF LIGHT.”
Praise H7984 halel- to shine, praise.
Psalms 65:13 “Valleys and pastures, SING, and SHOUT FOR JOY.” (???) Metaphore?
There is no doubt, that large humans were on earth. Found in archelogy and in the Scriptures itself. But looking deep into the surface, and removing what we were told, in is very questionable as to whether or not, Heavenly Angels were able to have union with flesh, and produce children. Didn’t Messiah say, that the Angels were not “given in marriage”? (Mark 12:25)
Angels are also, created beings. But it seems truly, they are known only as SERVANTS who ATTEND on the Most High. They are MESSENGERS, and were never known as SONS, according to Hebrews.
Stars can be metaphors, for Angels, but so is Man. Job 38:7 is the best proof truly, to say Angels are Sons, but again, Hebrews tells us, this can not be possible. This is not a salvation issue, I am sure, but something that is debated, and wondered about.
Will this be important to know, for our future? Already, much is being taught on television, to say Angels and man, co-created. What is this going to lead us into, as far as what we will accept? Satan is the Master of Lies. Keep your eyes open!
Shalom!
G
P.S. Men of great renown, fallen Angels offspring??? (Genesis 6).
Other words used, for “Giant’s” that DON’T mean “Fallers”. Check it out!