Many people use Proverbs 30:4, to try and say Yahoshua Messiah pre-existed.
Let's take a brief moment, and see what the SCRIPTURES CLAIM. Then, the context of Proverbs 30:4 will no longer be used as a pre-existing Messiah weapon!
Proverbs 30:4
“Who has mounted to the heavens, then come down again?
Who has gathered the wind in the clasp of his hand?
Who has set all the ends of the earth firm?
What is HIS name?
What is HIS CHILDS NAME?
Do you know?"
BEHOLD, THE SCRIPTURAL ANSWERS, TO THIS QUESTION!!!!!
Exodus 4:22
“This is what YAHWEH says, “ISRAEL is my FIRSTBORN SON.”
2 Samuel 7:14
“I (Yahweh) shall be a FATHER to HIM (Shalomon/Yahoshua),
and he A SON to me.”
Isaiah 45:11
“Thus says Yahweh, the HOLY ONE of ISRAEL, and his MAKER:
I am asked for signs regarding MY SONS….”
Jeremiah 31:9
“…For I AM A FATHER TO ISRAEL,
and EPHRAIM IS MY FIRSTBORN SON.”
Hosea 11:1
“When ISRAEL was a CHILD, I loved him,
And I called MY SON out of Egypt.”
And the New Testament tells us the Good News for YOU and ME!
Romans 8:14
“ALL WHO ARE GUIDED BY THE SPIRIT OF YAHWEH,
ARE SONS OF YAHWEH.”
Luke 3:23
"Adam, the SON OF ELOHIM/THEOS"
Luke 1:32
"(Yahoshua) He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High."
When Proverbs 30:4, asked the question, we also need to remember another point. BANE, is the Hebrew word that was translated into, "Son" here.
Bane can mean: "Nation" and "Builder of a family name," as well as a Son.
At the time Proverbs was written, as we can see.....Shalomon, Israel, and Ephraim, were referred to, as Yahweh's BANE.
Anyone who want to interject their ideas into the text, take away from the Truth, and mix in LIES, only to deceive themselves.
Now, WE are the BUILDERS of the Nation of Israel!
WE, are the SONS, and DAUGHTERS of Father Yahweh!
And as far as LITERAL OFFSPRING in concerned; Adam and Yahoshua, are the SONS of YAHWEH.
It is unclear 100%, if BANE was meant as "Son" or "Nation," in Proverbs 30:4. But, I must say, that it is DEFINITELY NOT IMPLYING, THERE WAS A PRE-EXISTING SON OF YAH, UP IN HEAVEN, FOR HE IS NEVER ONE TIME MENTIONED!
It is only in our minds, we can inject him here, or there. But truly, a Son who dwells up by Yahweh's side, while he was Creating, or even afterwards, is not written.
It is only AFTER YAHOSHUA ROSE UP TO HEAVEN, that Stephen was able to see him, at the right hand, of the Father.